|KENALOG AND BETAMETHASONE
(A practical forword: to get the best appropriate steroid try and see
a dermatologist, they are skin experts).
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My doctor told me I "HAD" to get circd and that there was no other
way around it. I didnt believe him and asked him about "betamethasone
.05%" creme. He said it didnt work but that he'd humor me and write
In about 7 weeks my foreskin could go back even while erect.
My foreskin was so tight it could go back past the meatus (pee slit)
while soft. When I first saw there was a problem, I tried stretching
it in the shower, I tried soaking it in warm water then stretching
it, I tried hand lotion and stretching it etc. None of it worked *for
I applied betamethasone once or twice a day to the outside for my
foreskin from the opening to about mid-glans. I saw results in the
first week. I applied it after I got out of the shower each morining.
I put enough on so that the foreskin was entirely covered (but not
so much that it all wipes off onto your pants). It would soak in, and
most days I would mastrabate. That would stretch it along with sex.
But I never made any real serious attempts to purposely stretch my
foreskin for the sake of stretching it.
I applied enough to make the skin white and left my underwear off
for about 10 minutes to let it soak into the skin and not wipe off
on my pants. I also did a little strecthing: you'll start to see results
in the first week. Once you start seeing them pull your foreskin back
as far as it will go (without pain) while soft. Then get an erection
while holding the skin back. It sounds painful but really isnt.
At the end of 8 weeks your skin should be easily retractable (even
while hard!!). Though while erect it may hurt a bit. DONT WORRY ABOUT
THAT!!! As you mastrabate, have sex etc it will loosen up. Trust me
Its easy guys. Just takes some time.
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Help for steroid cream application
>I've been applying this 0.1% cream for about 3 weeks now, twice
a day - after taking a shower in the morning and before going to bed.
I put it mostly on the outside, starting from the tip over about 2
cm long area. So far, I see no apparent result. From some other messages
in this group, I figured that people use 0.5% cream. Does that mean
that it will take me 5 times longer to see any result? Or is there
something wrong with my application technique?
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BobbyR at 17 Nov 2000 18:21:18:
As an answer to: Need help with steroid application! written by Victor
at 11 Nov 2000 20:12:37:
You can't just put it on and sit there and stare at it. The cream
contains a skin thinning agent that assists YOU in stretching the skin.
You have to either work the foreskin back and forth, or get two fingers
into the opening and stretch it wider. It may take days, or it may
take weeks to see results. Some say results are only temporary, unless
you keep on using the cream and stretching as needed. Others say that
when you can get it stretched enough to get it retracted and keep it
that way at least some of the time, such as during sleep, there will
be a constant pressure from the wider part of the penis behind the
tip that will prevent it closing up tight again like before. Yes, the
.5% is five times more concentrated than the .1%, but watch out for
allergic reaction to the stronger mix.
(note: I am totally against the experimental use of creams to treat
children - its a lot of mess and upset) - RS
A third forum letter from Roxanne
About the Kenalog (you're right it does sound like a breakfast cereal),
I'm no chemist either, but I imagine it's a synthetic hormone like
cortisone (probably a cortisone derivative) and I believe it works
on mouth ulcers and phimosis because it thins out the skin just enough
to have the desired effect. There was no stretching required when I
used it on my son. You could literally see the opening widen by the
day. Only after we had used it for about a week and the hole had opened
up quite a bit did we attempt retraction. I believe that if we had
used the cream for another week as prescribed, before attempting this,
the paraphimosis would never have occurred.
Kenalog (Triacinolone Acetonide .1% - corticosteroid, anti-inflammmatory,
anti-pruritic cream), is what we were prescribed and found to be very
effective. This is what we will probably use again when my son is older.
After all, if it's safe enough to put in your mouth for ulcers, putting
it elsewhere shouldn't be a concern.
(RS note: I have never heard of any bad effects from Betamethasone
or Kenalog, only from hydrocortisone see underneath )
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library offers additional medical studies exploring creams and steroids
in the treatment of phimosis.
Please review the Forum for
1999 ARCHIVE INFO:
: THE EXPERIMENTAL USE OF CREAMS: a loose collection of ideas, info.,
The use of cream is a very experimental area.. I AM TOTALLY AGAINST
THE USE OF CREAMS IN EXPERIMENTAL ATTEMPTS TO TREAT CHILDREN; until
methods have been developed and tested on adults who are aware of and
willing to let such experiments take place, then parents or doctors
should not encourage experiments with creams on children.
Generally it seems from the reports which I have read, that IF a
phimosis will stretch then it will do this without creams, creams may
speed up the process.
I believe that if the ring wont stretch easily then a dorsal or
a partial circ. are indicated; however some men are pretty determined
to keep their foreskins entire and intact. So I will use the opportunity
to find out a bit more about the nature of this simple bit of gristle.
So we're investigating which creams soaps and cock-baths are efficient
in regenerating non-elastic skin tissue ... and naturally also what
causes it to degenerate in the first place.
Dave had LSA and was also attempting to combat this with stretching
Dave wrote: It varies in severity, but I seem to be winning by taking
selenium and vitamin E in 100mg capsule form and using E enriched lotion.
The vitamin E has helped more than anything else, previously, If
I was retracted before an erection, the noose would be tight enough
to be definitely uncomfortable, lately I believe it would be able to
withstand the stress of an erection, but not any additional strain
from friction or certain external forces.... There was a period before
I started taking Vitamin E where a good erection would break the skin
to a degree.
Oh yes. I was given an ointment when first diagnosed, I think it
was hydrocortisone (I'll look at home if I still have the name somewhere).
All this did was burst capillaries under the skin and made things worse.
I think this is important so people avoid it.
The cock bath: Nescafe jar, add warm water insert cock and hang
loose for ten minutes... but we need a secret ingredient to regenerate
skin tissue, please write to a herbalist site and ask for suggestions,
(please give feedback) ....
>In so far as a "camomile cock bath" is
>concerned, should one use an essential oil?
I'd suggest a simple infusion like when you make camomile tea, ...
I cant guarantee Camomile will be any use, BUT phimosis is basically
a very simple ailment and I feel there must be a few very simple cures
which as soon as a few people start experimenting it could profit future
From what I understand it would be logical if different creams worked
with specific types of ring.
Recent letters indicate phimotic ring started after taking antibiotics,
or after cortisone, so, be careful, chemicals can make things worse.
LSA is in my opinion an absolute indication for surgery, but as
mentioned above, if adults wish to experiment, then its your own responsibility
... lets just get the experiments out in public on ARC
Forum so that too many men dont have the same pointless experiences.
Acids and Alkalis?
This guy was diagnosed with Balanitis, his attempts with creams
were unsuccessful, however his thoughts and experiments should not
>I have realised that my foreskin has recently seemed dehydrated,
was dry, and cracked with an erection. The tap water in my area is
very alkaline, plus if I washed with soap, or shower gel, that could
also increase the alkalinity of my skin. I have always felt that my
skin was very tight after a shower, even on my face and hands,
>I am using two products at the moment;
>Garnier Nutralia "Dermo - Protection "
Soap Free & Moisturising gel, 2 in 1 for sensitive skin
Made by " Laboratoires Garnier "
I have the " Sport " version.
>Vaseline " Intensive Care "
Lipid Enriched Derma Care Fragrance Free Lotion
"Effective Relief For Problem Dry Skin "
>I found a dermatologically approved moisturiser, which is free
from perfume, and regularly apply it to my freshly cleansed foreskin
and glans, while they are still very damp.
>It's good to wash the penis quickly after sex because it is stretched
and the skin gets re hydrated and moisturised at full stretch, I get
the thought that this is beneficial, it's just a sense that I have.
>Also a point is that I am drinking more water, this is an attempt
to keep myself hydrated from the inside.
>also I've been considering if the pH levels of the woman are influential
?.....what is the pH level of her lubrication ?
>The doctor also said he believed I had balanitis, I think he said
BXO ? not sure, but he said it was a skin disease that nobody understood
yet, he also said that in time, the problem of an uncooperative foreskin
might come back...and then circumcision might have to be considered.
later I received:
>I AM NOT USING THE CREAMS MUCH, AFTER SPLITTING AGAIN RECENTLY (AFTER
A LONG STINT OF NEAR NORMALITY) MY FORESKIN WENT BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
I feel as though the only way I will get further with a general
theory is first to understand acids and alkalis.
The sort of question I'm considering is maybe showers only help
stretching if the water is soft ... : Alkalis and Acids are a mystery
to me, Ph (what does Ph mean?) - I remember blue litmus paper which
turned red or red litmus which turned blue and I know that the average
neutral alkali acid value is 7 on a scale of 14 ... and I believe soft
and hard water are acid or alkali but which is soft and which is hard?
and does this relate to chalk or clay in the basic soil in an area???
... can anyone answer -- ? If alkali makes it tighter, why use Ph neutral
soap, why not use a soap which is acid??? Is salt water acid or alkali?
I am a 32 year-old uncircumcised male. My question concerns the
so-called phimotic ring. At about age 11/12 I experienced what I remember
to be a rather severe case of phimosis. Over some time I recall not
being able to retract the foreskin. The opening was very small and
I believe there was some discharge as well. Frustrated with the situation,
I attempted to stretch the skin manually until it could be retracted.
Eventually I remedied the condition by bathing in cold water and stretching.
> Typically lichenoid rings start at puberty, yours must be a
> specific subcategory, because usually they dont stretch
Into my twenties I never experienced this situation again. While
living in Germany I read that it was infact "unhealthy" to wash the
foreskin using soap. It was recommended that water only be used. After
I adopted this technique of hygiene I noticed a return of the tightness
which was manifest in a white ring which is visible around the circumference
of the shaft however it is more visible on the left side (there is
a minute amount of scaring where the whiteness is most pronounced or
thickest.). Although no trouble in retraction occured, the ring nonetheless
was noticeable especially during erection (a white indentation rather
than an hourglass was visible). Eventually it disappeared. More recently
it has returned. Again it is not severe but a white ring is clearly
visible during erection, especially on one side. I would like to eliminate
this. I occasionally try stretching, in both directions with a vitamin
e enriched cream, but with little success.
Is my complaint unique? Perhaps these annoyances have been one
reason that routine circumcision has been perpetuated in various countries.
I have been using various essential oils (tea tree, lavender &
camomile) over the last few weeks with, I believe, some success. I
shall continue. I chose the tea tree and lavender because of their
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