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Re: We are just as qualified

Written by halfclip at 25 Nov 2001 05:05:08:

As an answer to: We are just as qualified written by Jim at 23 Nov 2001 04:28:19:

>It doesn't take any kind of special degrees to know how penises work. Those of use who have advised are the proud possessors of such and have also done our homework on this subject.

That is a far bigger problem/issue that it would seem on the surface.

A urologist circumcised at birth would have no idea what it is like to have a foreskin, so his personal experience would be rather limited to what he read in bools. And urology books don't deal with the normal penis, the seem veryu focused on treating problems.

The urologist may be extremely knowledgeable on the location of blood vessels and the various layers of skin and corpus things inside the penis. He may know about anesthetics, how to stop a recently cut blood vessel from bleeding etc. But will the doctor instantly be able to judge how a particular penis should be treated ?

To be honest, short of getting the patient hard and masturbating him, can the doctor really evaluate completely the status of a particular penis ?

this is where groups just as this one can help someone. We can provide some information on how to evaluate your own penis so you can decide how much skin could be removed, and more importantly so you know how to communicate that information to a doctor.

Unless the doctor has intimate knowledge of your penis' full pedigree, he can only suggest standard "fit all" solutions.


Consider the technique you use to masturbate. If during the downstroke, you like to leave skin over the head because retracting it fully generates too much sensations (glans too sensitive), then a solution such as just a small dorsal slit to loosen the opening may not work in the long term because it will not force you to change your masturbation habit and your foreskin will continue to lack its daily number of full retractions to keep it loose. But that is not something your doctor will generally be able to know.

A partial circumcision in that case would help ensure your foreskin does retract a sufficient number of times per day (and probably force you to masturbate with full strokes up/down that give your foreskin a full workout).

Remember that if a tight foreskin was allowed to happen, it is not sufficient to fix it, one must also change the environment so that the conditions which allowed the tight foreskin are no longer there.

I think that the beauge text is fairly convincing on that matter.

Another thing:

And doctors who circumcise babies and children don't have the chance to review the results of their handywork 16 years later when the male has grown up. Besides, by that time, they will have circumcsed thousands more babies with the same technique.

So unless they get detailed feedback, they will continue to circ as they think is fine. So when a patient comes in with detailed instructions on how HE wants to be circumcised and makes sure the dcotor knows that his role is to give the patient the style of penis the patient desires (not what the doctor wants), then the doctor learns more about what males want.

But if a patient walks in and just asks for a circumcision, doctor will do it according to his personal preference, patient leaves and doctor never hears from him again.


Another recent aspect. The anti-circ people have succeeded in reducin the automatic circumcisions. But they have unfortunatly scared many people and makde circumcision look like mutilation. When women get their breasts lifted, is that considered mutilation ?

those anti-circ people should see what happens to their famous ridged bands when the frenulum is removed and the skin is allowed to fully retract. They would realise that it is just the same old skin. Of course, when the skin is bunched up into an area with wrinkles, that area will have more nerve endings per square-cm than the rest of the skin whcih is more stretched, but if you do stretch the ridged bands smooth, then do they still have more nerve endings per square-cm than the rest of the inner foreskin and shaft skin ? That is something that the anti-circ folks don't discuss because it may break some of their few anti-circ arguments.

at birth, ther are definite issues about human rights, right to choose, and the fact that the penis and glans are not fully formed and the need to forcefully separare foreksin from glans is perhaps not too good. But later in life, the anti-circ forlks have to understand that not all foreskins are created equal and to a certain percentage of the population, removing a certain amount of skin is actually beneficial. They should not scare people away from circumcision later in life telling them about magic ointments. If your foreskin is too long, those ointments won't magically shorten it.


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