[ ARC forum 2 ]
Written by Paul B. at 26 Nov 2001 14:25:12: Qualified
As an answer to: Re: We are just as qualified written by halfclip at 25 Nov 2001 05:05:08:
Not sure where you're going here, but that's OK, I will just go with the flow.
> A urologist circumcised at birth would have no idea what it is like to have a foreskin,
That sounds pretty much true.
> so his personal experience would be rather limited to what he read in books.
> And urology books don't deal with the normal penis, the seem very focused on treating problems.I'm not a connoisseur of urology texts (:-), but I'd be surprised if they had anything at all useful to say on the "problem" of phimosis. Basically, "if you can't pull back the foreskin you have phimosis and you get circumcised". One sentence would be about it by and large. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.
> The urologist may be extremely knowledgeable on the location of blood vessels
> and the various layers of skin and corpus things inside the penis.In theory. Circumcision is the only common operation on the penis, and requires only one piece of knowledge of anatomy - the presence of the fraenar artery. In this country, the procedure is not commonly done by urologists anyway, but by general surgeons.
Erectile implants are a bit of a novelty (in this country at least), having suffered somewhat from the onset of Viagra. I was quoted a couple of weeks back, an estimate of about one implant every two years for the average urologist, though of course there are a very few urologists who specialise in them. Point is that they do require a degree of specific anatomical knowledge to insert and remove.
> But will the doctor instantly be able to judge how a particular penis should be treated?
That question begs the concept of circumcision as a cosmetic procedure. Very few are considered that way!
> We can provide some information ... so you can decide how much skin could be removed,
Getting bizarre.
> If during the downstroke, ... because retracting it fully generates too much sensations
More so. Very unusual way of looking at it.
> A partial circumcision in that case would help ensure your foreskin does retract a sufficient number
> of times per day (and probably force you to masturbate with full strokes up/down that give your
> foreskin a full workout).Really wild concept!
> Remember that if a tight foreskin was allowed to happen, it is not sufficient to fix it,
Good so far.
> change the environment so that the conditions which allowed the tight foreskin are no longer there.
Generally, not retracting as a child. Otherwise, chronic Candidiasis. So?
> The anti-circ people ... have unfortunatly scared many people and made circumcision look like mutilation.
Don't need to!
> When women get their breasts lifted, is that considered mutilation?
Yep. If you don't think so, you haven't seen one. Breast "lift" (reduction mammaplasty) generally involves removing skin, but removing skin all around would mean a scar all the way around. To hide the scar underneath, since this is the part least seen, all the skin is taken from the lower part of the breast, possibly more than half of the breast skin.
If you think for a moment, you will see that would put the nipple underneath the re-shaped breast. What to do? Well, the nipple is "transplanted" from its original position into a new hole cut into the remaining upper breast skin. This generally really mucks up sensation.
Now, if you only removed skin underneath, the breast would bulge at the sides, so the lower middle part is cut out of the remaining skin and the sides pulled in underneath to meet in a line that extends down from the (re-positioned) nipple to the scar underneath.
The result is an "anchor"-shaped scar. The cosmetic result, when not concealed by clothing, varies from mildly unpleasant to downright revolting, whilst any "function" other than filling a bra, is dodgy to say the least.
> those anti-circ people should see what happens to their famous ridged bands when the frenulum is removed
> and the skin is allowed to fully retract.Unnecessary to remove the fraenulum to fully retract, unless it happens to be tight, but that is not common.
> They would realise that it is just the same old skin.
Except for the ridged band, which is more elastic.
> but if you do stretch the ridged bands smooth, then do they still have more nerve endings per square-cm
> than the rest of the inner foreskin and shaft skin?I personally doubt it, certainly regarding the inner foreskin, but it probably does have more sensation than shaft skin. Just like fingers are more sensitive than the backs of your hands, which are still "just the same old skin".
> That is something that the anti-circ folks don't discuss because it may break some of their few
> anti-circ arguments.Argument seems simple. Cut off a large area of skin; lose sensation.
> If your foreskin is too long, those ointments won't magically shorten it.
"Too long"? People don't complain of lips being "too long", or arms "too long", or any other body part. How can a foreskin be "too long"?