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Re: circ

Written by Ralesk at 28 Apr 2004 18:37:59:

As an answer to: Re: circ written by David R at 28 Apr 2004 17:13:54:

>>>Chris, go to Circlist and Brian Morris's website Circinfo for some facts, not rampant uneducated personal opinions. Congratulations on getting this far. It's a scary thouhgt but the final result should be excellent. There are excellent and not too expensive clinics in London. Search the Web.
>>Well, I wouldn’t paint Mr. Morris as having a balanced view, and so wouldn’t I paint many CL people having one.

>Chris, having read this responder's replies, he is one chap who simply can't get around the idea that circumcision IS an option, that pulling, tuggling, stretching putting up with discomfort, infections, tearing and cracking the frenulum and foreskin in these maneuvers, and having to tolerate all manner of other misery, is FAR mor acceptable to him than a circumcision under any circumstances.

I have always put surgery as the last option when 1) it’s required 2) others don’t work.

You are a newcomer and don’t know anything about me.

>His slamming of Circlist and particularly Brian Morris, without offering any real reasons, are red flags. Brian has written the most sholarly work on this subject. Ralesk's writings are...???

Why excuse me? You come here and attack my oft successful work here, and when I just happen to be in a disagreement with your little favourites, you attack me? Behave.

>Instead,he would rather that you went to the 4skin restoration sites etc as their information, would of course, be accurate and scientifically based.

CIRP.org is a research site.
Circumstitions.org contains researches as well.

Neither is a foreskin restoration site.

What is the problem with that? Are you afraid that your precious little practice is threatened by a different view? Stop being so paranoid and contribute instead of slandering me and the other regulars.

>I have lived in countries where circumcision is the norm and from everything I can tell, the guys are generally unaware that there is any controversy about this topic and when told otherwise think it's wierd that there is, given that they think their penises are perfectly alright.

I have explained this, please take time to read my other comment to you.

The fact that they have been snipped at birth and think that’s alright doesn’t mean it’s alright, now does it? What would you think if there was a country that took off the little toes from both feet right after birth? Please explain in more words than “but that’s totally different”, thank you.

>Those with limited experience of the uncut state aren't very impressed with it by comparison, certainly having no wish to own a foreskin.

Exactly. They don’t, can’t know a thing. You just proved what I said in the other post, don’t you see?

You know, I know a circumcised guy. He was, like, barely cut, I mean he has a lot of foreskin left. Yet, since he does live in a circumcised society, he strongly believes he’d be worse off intact — yet as it is now he’s only missing the frenar band, and that’s it, furthermore his penis is more often than not covered by his foreskin.

>This should NOT be a one sided argument, but note, the anticircer's sound like the morning rooster... dominating the one side and hardly allowing for any opposition to be heard. Tell me, where are the loud voices of the circumcised rising in protest?

Oh, anti-circers are evil and ooooh and argh. Could you make a less offensive point just to avoid me turning the table on you and saying the same thing about the avid pro-circers like your beloved Mr. Morris?

There are many in the U.S. and in Canada. Where are the loud voices of the 80 or whatever % intact people whining about why they hadn’t been circumcised as children? ------------ Exactly. Nowhere. Your point stood on nothing. Carry on.

>Exactly. And for the record, I chose to be circ'd as an adult and just as Circlist writers say -a great source for men who have undergone adult circumcison to talk about the experience- I can concur with them that there is no comparison for the most part. The idea that the foreskin does something sexual is indeed true.. it impedes the full sexual expression of the penis.

People differ. I shall not question your personal experience, but be so kind as to not question others’ and stop believing that people are all like you. I know several people who are not circumcised (I know you’d attack me if I used the word intact again — because argh I must be such an evil evil anti-circ heathen you can’t draw bigger.) who actually like what feelings they get from the foreskin.

On another forum there was a discussion between two guys, one cut and the other not, they explained their reasons to each other, and guess what, both sides were believable, and guess what, they DISCUSSED, instead of slandering the other’s personal experience on the matter. And guess what, one explained why he liked what he received from his foreskin, and the other explained why he didn’t like the quite similar input from his foreskin before he got cut.

>The Jewish word for circumcions means constricted.

Show your reference. The linguist in me is interested.

But if indeed… constricted? Does it constrict your sexual input? Or what on good Earth are you trying to imply with this comment? It feels as if you just wrote something that goes right against your point.

>As food for thought, any Christian or Jew should think it odd that God would instruct a nation to wreck its sexuality.

Refer to Maimonides, a Jewish rabbi from a couple hundred years back.

Also note that the New Covenant does NOT involve any kind of physical cutting, pain or harm.

>Therefore, be not afraid to consider this worthwhile OPTION.

Interesting conclusion, doesn’t really seem to stand on anything. Unrelated to everything else you just managed to say, yes, it is an option. It is more than preferred that one tries to heal things before getting rid of them, as that is the practice with everything else, unless the part threatens one’s life. It is more than preferred that you know what you’re doing. And there it’s included that one knows that problems with the foreskin can very often be solved with medicine and logic, and without surgeries.


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