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Written by Ivan at 20 Sep 2004 04:56:13: Re: to cut or not to cut
As an answer to: to cut or not to cut written by alilnervous at 17 Sep 2004 03:31:46:
>alright well i've gotten help with my other problems from some very helpful people, but now i just have one more concern. i'm 17 and have had many opportunities to have sex, but when it's go time, i can't bring myself to do it because i'm afraid of what she'll say or tell her friends. i don't know of anyone else that's circumcised. uncut bros, when you unsheath your sword, what have they said? anything? or just ignore it? of what i've read, the majority of girls prefer the look of cut to uncut. so i'm just thinking, should i get cut? i was definitely decided on doing so, but now that i've read about all these guys that regret it because it reduces pleasure by like 50%, i'm not too sure. also, which one pleasures her more? i just don't want her to get up and leave. thanx in advance.
Well, you've had some advice to consider the views of Circlist, and I would recommend that you go and check out the circumcision-celebration sites like Circlist carefully. I have done so and found them appalling and creepy beyond belief, but be your own judge.
To get the other side, there is the following:
Excerpt from Christiane Northrup, Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom Creating Physical and Emotional Health and Healing (1994). New York: Bantam Books.Author Christiane Northrup, M.D., an obstetrician/gynecologist, co-directs the innovative Women to Women health care center in Yarmouth, Maine. She edits the national health newsletter "Health Wisdom for Women" and is Assistant Clinical Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Vermont School of Medicine.
"Circumcision of baby boys is another example of a painful procedure that is unnecessary. Circumcision is a perfect example of the triumph of emotion and outdated and unproven beliefs over common sense and scientific data that it is unnecessary. Dr. George Dennison sums up the circumcision issue very nicely: "To me the idea of performing 100,000 mutilating procedures on newborns to possibly prevent cancer in one elderly man is absurd."
The discussion of circumcision is a perfect example of the strength and influence of tribal programming on our thought and emotional responses. This programming is so ingrained that many people cannot even discuss the subject of circumcision without guilt, denial, or other strong emotions. I know that even addressing the subject of the baby boy's bodily integrity, choices, and pain if the procedure is done can cause a "kill the messenger" reaction. But this programming can be successfully questioned and worked through, if desired. Many Jewish couples have rethought the entire circumcision issue and have decided not to have it done to their sons.
I've seen circumcision done in the delivery room. Welcome to the world, baby boy" now to initiate you properly, we're going to cut off one of the most sensitive parts of your body with no anesthesia!' Circumcision is known to cause sleep disturbances for at least three days. I believe that it also has profound implications for male sexuality that I cannot begin to address adequately in this book. In fact, it is a form of sexual abuse. We certainly feel that way about female clitoridectomy, circumcision, and infibulation, but we justify male infant circumcision by pretending that the babies don't feel it because they are too young and it will have no consequences when they are older.
The foreskin is a highly innervated part of the body. There is no doubt that circumcision toughens' the delicate skin of the tip of the penis. Men who have been circumcised later in life and who therefore know the difference report a decrease in their sexual sensations. One of my friends who is NOT circ'd says that he wonders if rape is less common in countries in which the men are not circumcised. His experience is that having intercourse with a woman who isn't aroused and well-lubricated is as painful to him as it is for her because of the delicacy of the foreskin!"
http://www.birthpsychology.com/birthscene/circ.html
Another excellent source is "Sex As Nature Intended It" by Katherine O'Hara. She has a website titled 'sexasnatureintendedit.com' with information as well.
As for dealing with actual American women (and I assume you are American, because in every other developed country in the world, the expectation is to find the man complete), you will find a few who have been filled with the lies that the foreskin is dirty, gather smegma, spread disease, etc. etc. You no doubt already know what ridiculous assertions those are. However, in fact, very few will even notice on first meetings and those that do are the ones that are looking for a foreskin because they have learned of the superiority of the way God and Nature fitted the natural penis for vaginal intercourse.
Continue to educate yourself from all viewpoints, understanding that everyone does have a viewpoint, particularly on the Net. I think if you do get a full picture of the situation, you will value that you retain what nature outfitted you with. No living part of you is junk, as some of the correspondents here wuld tell you.