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Re: Interesting comment by Beuge

Written by Jim at 29 Mar 2002 01:26:07:

As an answer to: Interesting comment by Beuge written by tmtanec at 29 Mar 2002 00:07:06:

What it appears the good doctor is saying is that in 100% of the cases, stretching was successful. Remember, 50% didn't come back. They didn't come back because they didn't need to come back. The science of skin expansion is not experimental, but absolutely proven. Each of us is a living testimony to the facts.

What is not proven is the reliability of the stretcher. That is the weakest link! We have had good evidence of that right here.

>Hi Jim
>"With regard to patients from the town a number were given the same advice and I reckon that in 15 years of practice I never had to refer a single one for surgery."
>As you say, this is very interesting and pretty impressive.
>With regard to his 300 or so university patients, however, Beaugé writes:
>"Follow-up in preventive medicine is not usual and many were not seen again. However about half did return to report a satisfactory outcome."
>So stretching is known to work in around 50% of cases. This is already an encouraging statistic, and combined with what we have learned about the plasticity of skin - one of your own specialist topics Jim - stretching can be expected to succeed for a good deal more than 50%, if not actually in most.
>Beaugé in fact seems to suggest that stretching had ALREADY worked for the ~90% of young men who reported no problems here. These men perhaps didn’t realise that by masturbating in the conventional way (the hold-it-in-the-fist method) they were in fact engaging in a purposeful activity that “permits an organised morphological development in the direction of future adult sexual behaviour.”
>Beaugé seems to have discussed masturbation carefully with his patients, going on to recommend a program of exercises he described quite clearly.
>In contrast, Russell - Given up Hope - was given only the vaguest hint: “this guy [the specialist] i think didnt really take me seriously when i said it was really frustrating ect; i guess he was used to dealing with people with cancer ect; All he said was try and stretch it....”
>This sort of stuff really pisses me off. Many guys waste years because of it.
>In 1994, speaking in response to a question posed by a health care worker after a speech she had given for World AIDS day, Jocelyn Elders, Surgeon General to the USA, agreed that masturbation was “normal and natural” and that this should perhaps be mentioned in Sex Ed courses in schools. Elders was instantly, widely and wilfully misinterpreted as having suggested that techniques of masturbation should be taught to schoolchildren in some sort of hands-on way.
>Clinton – imagine – didn’t have the fortitude to point out that Elders had been radically misquoted. He insisted she resign.
>I could rant on about this for ages. Unless you’re going to chop little boys’ willies - not good - masturbation has to be mentioned in schools.
>The UK, where I live, is somewhat more liberal about this sort of thing; though even so, the suggestion that young people be informed about the uses of masturbation would likely cause a most unedifying brouhaha.
>I have some statistics of my own on the incidence of Beaugé phimosis, and though they’re far less reliable than Beaugé’s, I’ll write them up if you’re interested.
>Cheers
>Ad


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