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Re: Well on the road

Written by Franky T. at 25 Apr 2003 05:11:22:

As an answer to: Well on the road written by Paul B at 24 Apr 2003 13:55:00:

Thanks everyone for the help so far.

>Well, there are many men who cannot retract at all, and the vast majority of them whether or not they realise their "oddity", simply - have sex, have families, and consider themselves no different in general to anyone else. It exists, it is fact but it is poorly documented and ignored, and those who assert that such men are somehow "crippled" and "outcasts" are simply blowing off - because there are pretty much the same proportion with functioning foreskin (and at least as many circumcised) who have any given problem with sexual perceptions.

It wasn't so much the thought of being "crippled" than the thought of maybe experiencing complications later in life. Up until recently, I wasn't well informed on the subject at all, so I was indeed a little scared.

>> Now I have tried on a number of occasion to masturbate with the foreskin retracted all the way to try and stretch it in the hopes that eventually, it would become easier.
>And it no doubt will, but masturbation does not provide sustained stretch, so the stretching effect will be quite limited.

I suspected so.

>> the moment I become eevn a little less hard, it stops hurting so I guess it's not that tight. I never got stuck so I don't think there's any danger of paraphimosis.
>People are frequently confused by paraphimosis. It is most unlikely indeed to affect a "competent" person in the situation you describe. It is primarily associated with cognitive impairments such as early childhood, intoxication or anaesthesia or gross debility such as senility, and with retraction more forcible than said "competent" person would permit if fully conscious.

Well, I only learned about phimosis and paraphimosis the day before I made that post, and the example of paraphimosis given was basically a guy with the foreskin stuck behind the glans and threatening to damage nerve endings quite fast if unresolved. I was certain that wasn't the case with me, so I stated as such. You know, being a 'n00b' and all...

>That your foreskin is tight only over an erection, clearly demonstrates that losing the erection - as you would do if scared about the condition - will resolve the concern, and in the event it did not, you would have the resolve to apply whatever force was necessary to pull the foreskin forward again.

Luckily, as I said, I'm certain it will never come to that.

>> I start masturbating using lots of lubrication and after a minute or two it stops being painful. I just rub the glans and leave the foreskin under the ridge and once started, the foreskin doesn't seemed too stretched anymore.
>It stretches just enough to accommodate, and your skin (nerves) adapt to recognise that although there is significant stretching occurring, it is not a degree which is going to cause damage (tearing).

For a while, I wasn't so sure about there being no possible tearing, since when the initial erection occurs with the foreskin retracted, it's very hard (and the tightness seems to make it even stronger) and thus, the first minute or so is a bit painful. Afterward, like you said, the skin probably adapts since the pain subsides.

>> I did realize that attaining orgasm that way takes quite a bit longer and requires lubrication but are much stronger than with the foreskin on.
>This demonstrates a number of interesting details. One is that the quality of stimulation applied preferentially to the glans - given that your foreskin is at that point "locked" immobile and thereby less sensitive than otherwise - is different to that where the foreskin and fraenulum area is involved. It (the glans) is indeed "sensitive", but not always conducive to getting an orgasm, (so that that is slower) and can easily be too "strong" and in fact, uncomfortable.

Now that you mention it, it does feel quite different. I never really considered that a good part of the sensation DID come from the foreskin but now I can see it.

>A particular reason for the slower orgasm is that you have to be so careful to control the glans stimulation exactly right - not too much, not too little, and adequate lubrication, that each little variation from the "right" way inhibits the build-up. Also, it is quite difficult to compare this with the much more consistent stimulation and lubrication with the vagina affords.

Absolutely right. My glans, when exposed, is quite sensitive. In fact, while stimulating it, it feels half pleasure/half pain, since it isn't used to being directly rubbed. It is that pain which makes it difficult to build up to a climax while there's no such pain with the foreskin over the glans.

>> Having never had sex, I don't know if this could cause me harm in the future.
>Perhaps, perhaps not. I tend to advise, or suggest, that you should treasure the special sensitivity that your infrequently exposed glans has, on the basis that what is "too sensitive" for manual stimulation other than with the foreskin covering, will be absolutely exquisite when applied to a wet (= prepared; enthusiastic) vagina. I really suggest you make no deliberate attempts to "de-sensitise" it until you are in a position to appreciate its full potential for vaginal intercourse.

Thanks for the advice.

>> Are there stretching exercise that could help
>Indeed. Remember what "exercise" is. Think of those guys spending an hour a day in the gym or on a bike - that is exercise, ten seconds a day stretching, is not. You have to pick somewhere between these extremes.
>Specifically, you want your foreskin to widen, and you should definitely be able to get two fingertips inside the foreskin (while flaccid) and just pull them outward, holding this stretch a minute or two, repeating this so many times each day, every day for some weeks. Once you see the improvement, you will automatically want to keep doing it until you achieve the looseness you require during erection.

Thanks for giving me an actual exercise to do. As for extremes, there's no danger of that since I'm simply looking for a bit more looseness. And I'm not that concerned with the whole situation as I might have seemed in my post. I'm the kind of guy who'd be most likely to just forget about the whole tight foreskin thing and do as I always did before if it became too complicated an issue to resolve.

>> or is some kind of circumcision preferable?
>To say that, you have essentially forgotten what circumcision is - you presently have an undeniably sensitive foreskin, circumcision means cutting off the sensitive foreskin, always taking the most sensitive part at very minimum.
>At the very worst as sensitivity goes, with your foreskin "jammed" behind the glans, you approximate a circumcised man - his foreskin can slide neither to "stroke" the glans during either masturbation or intercourse, and it cannot function to keep the moisture in during intercourse. And if you focus on stroking the glans, you will tend to reduce that to the sensitivity level of a circumcised man. You could be little worse than the situation of a circumcised man, and you only need to do some stretching to have a fully functioning slide-back-and-forth foreskin, so just how you could imagine circumcision to be useful, is difficult to conceive.


Believe me, I never considered circumcision seriously. I'd sooner just keep things the way they've always been for me. I really don't have any problem now, but I just wanted to keep my options open. I'd only really consider it IF I was engaged in a serious relationship with a woman AND I was having serious problems during intercourse. Only THEN would I even consider it. I'm rather attached to that little piece of skin :)

Anyway, thanks for all the advice.


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