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Written by chImp at 03 Jun 2003 23:53:14: Lack of abundance of HIV
As an answer to: Does HIV cause AIDS? written by chImp at 03 Jun 2003 01:09:56:
Quotes from Dr.Duesberg:
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We found the polio virus by taking infected cells from a polio patient; we took an AIDS patient's infected cells and found HIV. Where is there a difference?Well, when you look at the polio patient and you look in the right place you find abundant virus. You look in the nerves when they are paralyzed you look in the guts when they have diarrhea and fever, you find plenty of virus. Now you look in the AIDS patient and you are in trouble. Gallo was in trouble. The only one who saw it, and barely, was Montagnier in '83-he got some viruses out of there. You can squeeze them out but it's an enormous job, because there is little or no virus.
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Despite the billions of dollars in AIDS research, nobody has an idea how HIV is causing AIDS. In fact, here's one of the major flaws in the hypothesis altogether: The T-cells are disappearing but they are not infected by HIV. One in 1000 at the most is infected. There is no precedent anywhere in the literature of biology or even microbiology that a cell that is not infected is dying from a virus. Viruses are what you call intracellular parasites. They have to get into the cell and then they mess up the machinery of the cell. They cannot send a signal, "Okay, I'm staying here, I'm too busy with something else, but you're going to die over there." Viruses cannot work that way. They have to get into the cell, then they can do something, whatever it is. But they certainly cannot kill from a distance. That's what the virus hypothesis is asked to explain. It cannot. It comes up with co-factors and other things.
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Isn't the argument, though, that the immune system is losing the battle? The antibodies may be there, but the T-cells are being depleted, so the immune system is actually losing the battle?Only if the virus has ever overwhelmed the immune system, but it hasn't. The immune system does beautifully. It knocks the virus out to a level where nobody can find it. [Dr. Robert] Gallo and [Dr. Luc] Montagnier had a hell of a time finding it. Because it was gone. That's why we look for antibodies in the AIDS test. It can't find the virus. That's the third point-again, no exception to that rulewhere you have an infectious disease, the microbe that is responsible for that disease is abundant, very active in many cells.
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